1 00:00:40,389 --> 00:00:16,100 [Music] 2 00:00:45,670 --> 00:00:44,229 a ufo flap in virginia in 1965. by 3 00:00:47,590 --> 00:00:45,680 charles lear 4 00:00:49,270 --> 00:00:47,600 throughout modern ufo history there have 5 00:00:51,590 --> 00:00:49,280 been periods when a large number of 6 00:00:54,389 --> 00:00:51,600 reports have come from one area these 7 00:00:56,310 --> 00:00:54,399 were termed ufo flaps by air force ufo 8 00:00:58,630 --> 00:00:56,320 investigators working for project blue 9 00:01:02,150 --> 00:00:58,640 book according to former project blue 10 00:01:04,469 --> 00:01:02,160 book director edward rupelt in his 1956 11 00:01:07,190 --> 00:01:04,479 book the report on unidentified flying 12 00:01:09,109 --> 00:01:07,200 objects in air force parlance a flap was 13 00:01:10,789 --> 00:01:09,119 a state of confusion just below panic 14 00:01:13,910 --> 00:01:10,799 that could be brought on by any number 15 00:01:16,149 --> 00:01:13,920 of things this week we'll look at a 1965 16 00:01:18,630 --> 00:01:16,159 flap in the virginia area that involved 17 00:01:21,030 --> 00:01:18,640 reported em effects creatures and armed 18 00:01:22,789 --> 00:01:21,040 citizens ready to defend the planet 19 00:01:24,870 --> 00:01:22,799 newspaper clippings and comments by 20 00:01:27,510 --> 00:01:24,880 investigators about the events can be 21 00:01:30,789 --> 00:01:27,520 found at the ufo history group website 22 00:01:33,270 --> 00:01:30,799 the flap actually began in 1964 with the 23 00:01:35,990 --> 00:01:33,280 december 21st sighting by harrisburg 24 00:01:37,830 --> 00:01:36,000 virginia gunsmith horace burns according 25 00:01:40,630 --> 00:01:37,840 to the report he was driving on route 26 00:01:42,630 --> 00:01:40,640 250 near fishersville when he saw a huge 27 00:01:45,030 --> 00:01:42,640 metallic object in the sky coming from 28 00:01:47,429 --> 00:01:45,040 the north as it landed in a field to his 29 00:01:49,830 --> 00:01:47,439 right his car stalled and he drifted to 30 00:01:52,710 --> 00:01:49,840 a stop burns described the object as 31 00:01:55,670 --> 00:01:52,720 shaped like a beehive 125 feet in 32 00:01:58,389 --> 00:01:55,680 diameter and 80 feet tall he observed it 33 00:02:00,230 --> 00:01:58,399 as it rested for 60 to 90 seconds and 34 00:02:02,950 --> 00:02:00,240 then rose up and flew away to the 35 00:02:05,749 --> 00:02:02,960 northeast he was able to restart his car 36 00:02:07,749 --> 00:02:05,759 and drive home burns contacted the ufo 37 00:02:10,630 --> 00:02:07,759 investigators club at eastern mennonite 38 00:02:12,150 --> 00:02:10,640 college club president ernest gammon who 39 00:02:13,910 --> 00:02:12,160 was a professor at the college and a 40 00:02:15,990 --> 00:02:13,920 member of the national investigations 41 00:02:17,830 --> 00:02:16,000 committee on aerial phenomena checked 42 00:02:19,110 --> 00:02:17,840 the area with a geiger counter and 43 00:02:21,430 --> 00:02:19,120 claimed to have found heavy 44 00:02:23,670 --> 00:02:21,440 radioactivity he also reported that 45 00:02:25,910 --> 00:02:23,680 homeowners in the area had complained to 46 00:02:27,589 --> 00:02:25,920 the virginia electric and power company 47 00:02:29,510 --> 00:02:27,599 that their radios and televisions 48 00:02:31,990 --> 00:02:29,520 stopped working for several minutes and 49 00:02:34,070 --> 00:02:32,000 that their lights dimmed kevin contacted 50 00:02:35,750 --> 00:02:34,080 project blue book and sergeants david 51 00:02:38,470 --> 00:02:35,760 moody and harold jones were sent to 52 00:02:41,509 --> 00:02:38,480 investigate they arrived on january 12 53 00:02:44,150 --> 00:02:41,519 1965 interviewed burns and the written 54 00:02:45,990 --> 00:02:44,160 report states that he exhibited no 55 00:02:48,309 --> 00:02:46,000 indications of suffering from mental 56 00:02:51,030 --> 00:02:48,319 disorders they also reported that there 57 00:02:52,790 --> 00:02:51,040 was no trace of radiation at the site 58 00:02:54,949 --> 00:02:52,800 within a month the local papers were 59 00:02:57,270 --> 00:02:54,959 reporting that many area residents had 60 00:03:00,869 --> 00:02:57,280 claimed to have had sightings a january 61 00:03:03,190 --> 00:03:00,879 18 1965 article headlined flying saucer 62 00:03:05,589 --> 00:03:03,200 reports to believe or not to believe 63 00:03:07,430 --> 00:03:05,599 reports that all books on ufos have been 64 00:03:09,910 --> 00:03:07,440 checked out of both the staunton and 65 00:03:12,630 --> 00:03:09,920 waynesboro public libraries and that 66 00:03:15,030 --> 00:03:12,640 there is a long waiting list for them in 67 00:03:17,670 --> 00:03:15,040 an article headlined air force denies 68 00:03:21,750 --> 00:03:17,680 reports of ufo sighting in the state in 69 00:03:24,229 --> 00:03:21,760 the january 21st 1965 newport news times 70 00:03:26,390 --> 00:03:24,239 herald reporter virginia biggins wrote 71 00:03:28,390 --> 00:03:26,400 that a pentagon spokesperson stated that 72 00:03:30,470 --> 00:03:28,400 they had no records of any report in the 73 00:03:32,229 --> 00:03:30,480 area the article then goes on to 74 00:03:34,949 --> 00:03:32,239 describe several sightings in the air 75 00:03:37,030 --> 00:03:34,959 force investigation of burns's sighting 76 00:03:39,509 --> 00:03:37,040 another case of cars stalling during a 77 00:03:42,390 --> 00:03:39,519 ufo sighting was described in an article 78 00:03:46,470 --> 00:03:42,400 titled ufos back at full tilt in the 79 00:03:47,990 --> 00:03:46,480 january 25th 1965 times herald two men 80 00:03:50,390 --> 00:03:48,000 in separate cars driving near 81 00:03:52,550 --> 00:03:50,400 williamsburg reported seeing an aluminum 82 00:03:55,350 --> 00:03:52,560 colored object shaped like an upside 83 00:03:57,509 --> 00:03:55,360 down ice cream cone 75 feet above the 84 00:03:59,429 --> 00:03:57,519 ground according to them their car 85 00:04:02,390 --> 00:03:59,439 engine stopped when the object was in 86 00:04:04,390 --> 00:04:02,400 sight and restarted as soon as it left a 87 00:04:06,710 --> 00:04:04,400 dramatic encounter that was investigated 88 00:04:09,190 --> 00:04:06,720 by nycap and described in books was 89 00:04:10,869 --> 00:04:09,200 reported to have occurred on january 19 90 00:04:12,710 --> 00:04:10,879 1965. 91 00:04:14,949 --> 00:04:12,720 according to an account on the nycap 92 00:04:16,710 --> 00:04:14,959 website william blackburn was chopping 93 00:04:19,030 --> 00:04:16,720 wood for some archers in the augusta 94 00:04:21,349 --> 00:04:19,040 county archery club near brands flats 95 00:04:23,749 --> 00:04:21,359 virginia when he spotted two objects in 96 00:04:26,310 --> 00:04:23,759 the sky the smaller of the two objects 97 00:04:28,629 --> 00:04:26,320 descended and landed about 18 yards from 98 00:04:31,189 --> 00:04:28,639 the witness three beings around three 99 00:04:32,870 --> 00:04:31,199 feet tall and dressed in shiny clothes 100 00:04:35,430 --> 00:04:32,880 came out of the craft and approached 101 00:04:37,590 --> 00:04:35,440 blackburn to within 12 yards according 102 00:04:39,749 --> 00:04:37,600 to him their eyes seemed to look through 103 00:04:41,670 --> 00:04:39,759 you blackburn was frozen in fright 104 00:04:43,110 --> 00:04:41,680 holding his double-edged axe when the 105 00:04:45,189 --> 00:04:43,120 beings made some sounds that were 106 00:04:47,430 --> 00:04:45,199 unintelligible they then returned to the 107 00:04:50,150 --> 00:04:47,440 craft and the craft rose up and 108 00:04:52,230 --> 00:04:50,160 disappeared nycap investigator richard 109 00:04:54,390 --> 00:04:52,240 hall went to interview blackburn after 110 00:04:57,189 --> 00:04:54,400 his account appeared in the local press 111 00:05:00,390 --> 00:04:57,199 in an article headlined ufo spotter held 112 00:05:03,029 --> 00:05:00,400 silenced in the february 4th 1965 113 00:05:05,110 --> 00:05:03,039 richmond times dispatch hall is quoted 114 00:05:07,189 --> 00:05:05,120 as saying that blackburn had been 115 00:05:09,430 --> 00:05:07,199 instructed explicitly not to say 116 00:05:11,430 --> 00:05:09,440 anything and it was suggested strongly 117 00:05:13,749 --> 00:05:11,440 that some federal authority had told him 118 00:05:15,990 --> 00:05:13,759 this there was another humanoid sighting 119 00:05:18,950 --> 00:05:16,000 in the form of a small green man 120 00:05:20,710 --> 00:05:18,960 reported by three boys on january 26 121 00:05:22,710 --> 00:05:20,720 1965. 122 00:05:25,270 --> 00:05:22,720 according to an associated press article 123 00:05:28,150 --> 00:05:25,280 in the january 29th washington dc 124 00:05:30,550 --> 00:05:28,160 evening star headlined its closed season 125 00:05:33,029 --> 00:05:30,560 on the little green men augusta county 126 00:05:34,710 --> 00:05:33,039 sheriff john e kent received complaints 127 00:05:36,790 --> 00:05:34,720 that area residents were arming 128 00:05:39,110 --> 00:05:36,800 themselves and going out to hunt the 129 00:05:40,790 --> 00:05:39,120 creature down kent told the reporter 130 00:05:43,189 --> 00:05:40,800 that the situation had gotten out of 131 00:05:45,670 --> 00:05:43,199 hand and that it was now dangerous to 132 00:05:48,310 --> 00:05:45,680 county residents he vowed that anyone 133 00:05:50,629 --> 00:05:48,320 out armed with no good reason would be 134 00:05:52,629 --> 00:05:50,639 dealt with according to the law he added 135 00:05:54,550 --> 00:05:52,639 that if there really were creatures from 136 00:05:57,029 --> 00:05:54,560 outer space in the area who's got a 137 00:05:59,029 --> 00:05:57,039 right to mow them down the article ends 138 00:06:00,870 --> 00:05:59,039 with the news that a local resident had 139 00:06:02,950 --> 00:06:00,880 come forward and admitted that he was 140 00:06:05,270 --> 00:06:02,960 attempting to play a joke on a neighbor 141 00:06:08,309 --> 00:06:05,280 and that he was in fact the little green 142 00:06:10,230 --> 00:06:08,319 man despite the silliness a report that 143 00:06:12,790 --> 00:06:10,240 got some serious attention was that of 144 00:06:16,550 --> 00:06:12,800 two nasa engineers former air force 145 00:06:18,870 --> 00:06:16,560 major john naidly and a.g crimes jr both 146 00:06:21,510 --> 00:06:18,880 of whom worked at nasa langley research 147 00:06:23,670 --> 00:06:21,520 center in hampton virginia despite being 148 00:06:25,670 --> 00:06:23,680 a former air force officer naidly 149 00:06:28,150 --> 00:06:25,680 reported his sighting to the newport 150 00:06:30,629 --> 00:06:28,160 news virginia daily press while crimmons 151 00:06:33,029 --> 00:06:30,639 jr reported his to langley air force 152 00:06:35,469 --> 00:06:33,039 base the daily press ran the story the 153 00:06:38,790 --> 00:06:35,479 following day on january 28 154 00:06:40,870 --> 00:06:38,800 1965. according to the article nadeley 155 00:06:43,029 --> 00:06:40,880 reported seeing a soundless object with 156 00:06:45,270 --> 00:06:43,039 lights around its rim maneuvering near 157 00:06:47,430 --> 00:06:45,280 his house in hampton virginia larry 158 00:06:51,029 --> 00:06:47,440 bryant investigated and wrote about it 159 00:06:53,430 --> 00:06:51,039 in the june 1968 issue of flying saucers 160 00:06:55,990 --> 00:06:53,440 according to him he talked to nadly and 161 00:06:58,390 --> 00:06:56,000 found out that crimeans jr his neighbor 162 00:07:01,270 --> 00:06:58,400 had had his sighting near the same time 163 00:07:03,510 --> 00:07:01,280 he contacted crimmons jr and crimmons jr 164 00:07:05,430 --> 00:07:03,520 told him that he watched an object land 165 00:07:07,909 --> 00:07:05,440 on plum island which was an old air 166 00:07:09,510 --> 00:07:07,919 force bombing range bryant wrote that he 167 00:07:11,990 --> 00:07:09,520 was concerned that no one from the air 168 00:07:13,909 --> 00:07:12,000 force had contacted natalie and that he 169 00:07:16,790 --> 00:07:13,919 bryant wrote a letter to virginia 170 00:07:19,029 --> 00:07:16,800 senator harry f byrd byrd wrote back 171 00:07:20,870 --> 00:07:19,039 saying that he communicated with the 172 00:07:23,029 --> 00:07:20,880 secretary of the air force regarding 173 00:07:24,790 --> 00:07:23,039 numerous sightings and would present the 174 00:07:26,790 --> 00:07:24,800 matter to his colleagues in the senate 175 00:07:28,629 --> 00:07:26,800 armed services committee brian 176 00:07:31,189 --> 00:07:28,639 eventually received a reply to his 177 00:07:34,309 --> 00:07:31,199 inquiries to the air force saying that 178 00:07:36,749 --> 00:07:34,319 crimeans jr had seen a navy helicopter 179 00:07:40,150 --> 00:07:36,759 an article in the nightcap march april 180 00:07:42,390 --> 00:07:40,160 1965 ufo investigator describes the 181 00:07:44,070 --> 00:07:42,400 sightings by the two nasa engineers in 182 00:07:46,629 --> 00:07:44,080 the air force response when the story 183 00:07:48,629 --> 00:07:46,639 came out in the daily press according to 184 00:07:51,029 --> 00:07:48,639 the article the head of project blue 185 00:07:53,430 --> 00:07:51,039 book major hector quintanilla went to 186 00:07:55,670 --> 00:07:53,440 virginia on a debunking tour it's 187 00:07:58,390 --> 00:07:55,680 reported that quintanilla combined 188 00:08:00,950 --> 00:07:58,400 ridicule evasion or denial of documented 189 00:08:03,670 --> 00:08:00,960 facts and claimed not a single ufo 190 00:08:05,430 --> 00:08:03,680 report had ever been proved true it 191 00:08:07,270 --> 00:08:05,440 seems the air force did their best to 192 00:08:09,189 --> 00:08:07,280 downplay the virginia sightings and 193 00:08:11,830 --> 00:08:09,199 perhaps that's why this flap is somewhat 194 00:08:13,670 --> 00:08:11,840 forgotten the very next year thanks to a 195 00:08:15,990 --> 00:08:13,680 remark by blue book scientific 196 00:08:17,990 --> 00:08:16,000 consultant j alan heineck that some 197 00:08:20,230 --> 00:08:18,000 sightings during a flap in michigan 198 00:08:22,469 --> 00:08:20,240 might have been of swamp gas the air 199 00:08:35,370 --> 00:08:22,479 force would be dragged into congress and